oh for christ sake .!! ... and now we are about to witness the start of another conspiracy theory ...grow up for the love of god ... brent i must agree with yure opinion . for the amount of time that was spent .working on poser 5 . i and iam sure alot of people around here were expecting something better in all my time working with 3d graphics programs .. have i never see a 3d graphics package . with NO OPEN GL HARDWARE SURPORT ...and the list goes on ... dont get me wrong though .. i think poser is a pretty good program .. but lets face facts its not 3d studio max .. or maya even . and has a hell of a long way to go to even touch those programs .. alot of artwork in this place is pretty deceptive especially in the poser galleries . yu only need to ask some of the more popular artist here . about the amount of postwork they have to do .. . in my opinion ... istead of wasting there time on things like ..dynamic hair ,and cloth ... maybe they should have got the basics right first.. like a program that doesnt . take a hundred years to render all the while eating yure vitual memory for lunch .. the abality to mutiple select objects . etc etc .. . heres hoping poser 6 will kick ass ..good luck curious labs