"After all, what company wants to retain ownership of food after it's been used? " Um - now THAT bought about nasty visions to my just woken mind :P Shiver... Shrink-wrapped EULAs should be illegal. It would be like buying a house, and then the original owner of the house bringing you a EULA and saying, "Now you have the house, anything you build in the house belongs to us." Damn now I have "All your Base belong to us" running through me head again... huff There are a number of court cases running through US right now in regards to treating EULA agreements as Fraud, however it will take a really nasty EULA for the US government to do something about it. I don't have a problem with EULA's - IF those EULAs are shown BEFORE someone buys the product. IE, it is printed on the manual, and you can look and read the manual before you load the product. This would mean that the EULA in the software can not be altered after original purchase however. Because it appears if your name is Microsoft, you can change the EULA whenever you feel like it :) In defence of Curious Labs, they did this - it was a really brave thing for the company to do by putting their EULA in their manual and then allowing people to download that manual before buying their software. And for all the disagreements I have against their security system, I have to give them full credit for their sencerity for releasing their EULA to the public. I might not agree with everything in the EULA - however they don't try and surprise it on you. And yeah, the P4 EULA is a lot more restrictive then the P5 EULA... Doesn't make it any better though :) sigh - I can't get the vision of a company asking for their food back, or writing a EULA that goes something like, "Anything you create 24 hours after using our food product belongs to us." EWWWS! :)