shadownet - nice post. I can't say anything more about the topic matter, because I basically have said all I can. I can continue to voice my feelings, but all that is going to do is drive more people to either not buy Poser 5, or argue against me :) I passed the ball on to others yesterday and stated that I had pretty much been in the highlight for long enough - it is now their turn :) The thing that is frustrating is that Curious Labs haven't and don't communicate with people when the real issues come up. And no matter what I, Norbert, Tempus Fugit or anyone else argues at the end of the day the only people who can solve this issue is Curious Labs. Whatever happens, I hope that my worries about Poser 5 and my fears regarding the stablity of Curious Labs are wrong. Because I certainly would like to continue seeing the program live and survive, and the Poser community not 'disappear' into the background like so many software communities do after a company has fallen. So if anything - here is to hope. And in my book - no hard feelings... Fare well - WiNC(Tracey-Anne) (norbert - take note - I'm not a guy :P)