AMEN, MALLEN!! You put it a lot more eloquently than I would after reading Jeff's outrageous post. And Jeff ... you're a moderator?? If everyone had Jeff's (and others attitude) NOTHING would ever change! Scary that you're a moderator Jeff. I always though you were more level-headed than this. Look at it on a large scope ... Just think what would happen if no-one complained about how unsafe cars seemed to be?? Or what if everyone was complacent with DOS? Or, regarding one of my top hobbies ... what if everyone was complacent with VHS format and pan-and-scan home video. or ... well, you get the idea. -Tim