"Only, at that time I didn't know the additional features were licensed from other companies. " No, that wasn't being stated in all the hype, Jackson. It could be gleaned from a web search on the companies named in the downloadable manual credits, but it wasn't obvious. Heh. They probably didn't want people asking rude questions like "What were you guys Doing for the past 3 years?" ;] "Most of the new features in Poser 5 really are just other people's software attached to Poser4. The base program code is probably entirely the same." - Mallen Lane "To me, and I think a LOT of people realize (or are realizing) just this ... P5 appears to be the same old Poser with some (albeit neato) 3rd party apps slapped on top of a decrepit interface." - timeteo1 Interesting observations. That's a conculsion I've been reaching from observation also. Especialy given the Renderer and Shader nodes come from Pixels 3D, the Cloth from Size8, and the Face Room from SI's FaceGen.

"I am a good person now and it feels... well, pretty much the same as I felt before (except that the headaches have gone away now that I'm not wearing control top pantyhose on my head anymore)"

• Monkeysmell