I don't have any problem with people griping about problems with the program. It's par for the course and I'm glad you people have never had such problems with other programs (I certainly have) I guess I'm one of the lucky ones who's experience this time has been glitch free. But I think that the main problems people have with people who complain about the problems is the quantity of times new threads are started to complain about the same problems and primarily it is the same people making the complaints. when someone like myself and many others go through the forum we are looking for new info on usability. Im not looking for any manifestos Im looking for positive information if there is a new bug I'd be happy to learn about it. otherwise it makes very little sense to me to bring up the same complaints over and over again.