Well, I had a look at my pigeon hole at work for the first time in months, and I found a letter from egi.sys, (in German :) presumbly telling me I had pre-ordered and could expect it presently, (I don't lassen Deutsch that well :) But I have to say, that surfing the forums, I think he may have a point. If CL are working on a patch, (according to Kupa) then I figure that P5 (once it arrives) can stay in it's box untill such time as it's ready. Meanwhile I can read an learn, as I don't want my experience of P5 to be blighted by needless annoyance & dissapointment. I've just bought some new fae to play with, so I shall continue to tweak with P4, at least when that dies I know how to fix it. later jb