Legume: "To start labeling a group that way is one of those cheap-ass maneuvers that I've seen pop up time and again on these forums" You mean like the label, "whiners?" I believe I've been seeing that label quite a while now. Including the one you started with the starving child. Talk about a cheap-ass maneuver. At least I was nice with my label, it's not insulting. I was going to use "The K.B.K." but decided against it. Tirjasdyn: " the first "bug" reported was not a bug, but a problem where models with backfacing polys were removed in draft mode" That's not a bug? Is the program supposed to do that? Just because there's a work-around for something doesn't mean it's not a bug. Oh, and for something to be a "bug" it has to effect everyone? I didn't know that, chalk it up to my inexperience. And by the way, the XML problem is HUGE and does effect everyone. People have gone as far as reinstalling XP to try and solve it.