Hiram I estimate that 1 person in 8 is a Mac user. I get around, those stats are fairly consistent. Daio If they could tell us the EXACT status of the Mac version, is it in pieces on the floor, or is it complete except for that code thing? (Whos next?) c1rcle We all thought you were joking when you put that, i mean its Steve COOPER not Steve Cox whos working on all the patches and upgrades, and the Mac version. I though I saw a wee bit of cleverness there. (Btw Thorneworks is back up, sort of)