"For instance, do you clothify (since its not mentioned) the object? What about the other settings about choreographing etc. What about the dynamic groups (am I remembering that right). " Well, for future reference, if I don't mention it, it doesn't get touched. ;) That's the case here. Choreographing is another technique that I'm working with, but for that tutorial, it's unnecessary to use it. Your dynamic group is the cloth plane. I appreciate the feedback, it allows me to consider better how to relate what I want to get across. Don't pull punches because otherwise I won't know what you're after. Don't worry, I'm only offended by people in suits, so my feelings won't get hurt if you point out a mistake. ;) To any future readers, please please please provide feedback at the site. It will allow me to better clarify things for you and others, and enmeshed makes posting questions/comments pretty simple. :) jerr3d: Thanks! =D Paul