Thanks Entropic. But it still leaves the situation "Assume this competes directly with Vicky 3. Daz don't like that and use legal action based on their ownership of the Judy head mesh to stop it." They could do this on a selective basis withouth effecting ordinary users of the P5 Judy mesh in order to stop such a product, arguing that this product requires the use of the Judy Head Mesh to function in P5 and in relation only to this product they were invoking their ownership rights to the Head mesh block its' commercial distribution. Antway 3.06 A.M.here Time for bed Regards STORM