There are not too many Steves. Really. Until the conversation comes around to programming and nifty tricks to make educated cat litter out-perform the stuff in the etch-a-sketch box. Steve and Karen Cooper both work for Curious Labs, the developer of Poser 5. They already have 2 kids, one of whom wants to be an artist, the other does origami which involves thinking in 3D. By the time they are adults, who knows how we'll be making art? I wasn't talking about them. My opening sentence referred to UVMAPPER PRO. My change of title should have been an alert that I was directly addressing mateo's off-the-cuff statement that Mac porting of UVMP was dropped because "they did the math". There is no "they". Steve Cox is one man. The Coxes should be parents by now. All clear? Carolly