Thanks Phil! I worked on another image last night. Made an animation out of it. The number of frames is important for the cloth to finish it movements. Took about 2.5 hours to render 120 frames tho. Wow. But it did turn out pretty decent I think. I don't recall how large the animation is. I'll see if I can add it to a page someplace and make a link to it. Question. I hinted at this in a previous post. I am assuming that the clothes MUST be dynamic clothing. Conforming clothing will not work. Is that true? I've never made my own clothing, tho I would sure love to know how. What is the possibility of converting existing clothing to dynamic? Is that a huge difference or is it maybe a matter of writing a program to do conversions. Another thing.... Is it possible to use the P5 dynamic clothing on Victoria 2 as is as long as I align them properly? Or are the polygons actually created for the Judy figure and will only match the Judy figure. Thanks for your time and trouble!! Nebula