I read somewhere that they were created from the P4 Dork and Posette, and that Runtime DNA did the conversion for CL. If that is the case Daz could own the meshes (they created Dork and Posette for P4), and Don and Judy could be regarded as derivative products. Since Daz seem to be having nothing to do with Poser 5 and were not involved in the adaptation of these meshes, the further question arises (if these meshes are owned by Daz) as to if we are properly licensed to use these meshes. I know this is a can of worms and I am not trying to harm either Daz or CL, but the failure to answer this question by CL is worrying me and should be worrying the community. This matter has to be cleared up very soon. I sympathise with CL, they have had a rough couple of weeks and I wish them the best, but I think it is important that we get clear and comprehensive answers to this question. Regards STORM