Thank you Steve, So that means that these meshes are derived from the P4 meshes. Ok, if I want to distibute a new figure, say the Judy figure with added hi-res detailing geometry in the mesh as a commercial product (this would require encoding the new mesh to Judy but would be a new mesh distribution) who do I deal with as regards permissions, Daz or CL. Who has the proprietry rights to deal on this matter. An answer to that will clear up remaining doubts. Thanks. STORM