By the way ... one R'Osity member that should probably be given an honary induction into the "12 Animators" group would be Phoul. He does a lot of animating in Vue, but combines a lot of Poser and Vue as well. Simply put, his stuff is amazing, and it is patently obvious (other than reading about him on his website) he has worked in film. His virtual/animated camera-work is some of the best I have ever seen. There is also Aaron who is a professional animator (you can see his stuff on TV commercials) and is releasing "The Case" soon on RuntimeDNA's site. -Tim