There was once a secret society who meet in the woods in the dead of night and stand around in a circle in dark hoods chanting ancient mantras. There are twelve to represent the signs of the ancient Cornucopian zodiac which hasnt been used for centuries and even then never predicted DICK. The story goes something like this. In March this year (no, thats May this year) the application Mimic was bought by DAZ and put on sale for 25% of the original price, which was bad luck for anyone who had just paid $US199 for it. Then in August this year the Macintosh version was announced, which was bad luck also for people who had just paid $100 for a PC to run the original beta. (Blimey, it was stuck at 1.0 for two years. What hope is there for Poser 5?) Not disputing wolf359s claim as the founding member it was Little_Dragon who first estimated the number of animators being limited to 12. First person to mention 12 animators was, well it was ME actually in the same tread, one of my more mindless posts just before DAZ re-enabled the Mac button. (It had been accidently turned off, see my second posting in that thread). Ive learned to type with my right hand, sort the WEB with my left hand and animate with my nose.