"Penguinisto, on your comment on Commadore missing the boat, hell they weren't even at the dock when the boat left!" Unfortunately, you're right, which is why I said that if Commodore had put out the Amiga "two years earlier..." "I'm noticing the folks who are hardcore Unix users are moving to OS X Macs in numbers that are surprising. " Huh? Err, not exactly. OSX does have an open-sourced alternative called "Darwin", and otherwise I can make my KDE desktop 1000000000x more flexible, more useful, and far better looking than OSX. I apologize for any hurt feelings, but if I want an OSX interface lookalike that badly, I can honestly tweak GNOME, splash on some pretty icons, and get an exact clone of the OSX interface, and one that won't eat near as many resources. The one and only point of attraction for OSX is the fact that a big-name company is making cool toys (like Poser) for it... and that is something I can respect. OTOH, how many *ix-heads really go looking for toys? I dual-boot for a reason - my toys are mostly on 'doze (Poser, Vue, Rhino, etc), but my tools (and email reader) are all in the Linux partition. You are right in that the majority of serious machinery usually has a LILO, GRUB, or *ix prompt at boot-time, even on the laptops. By the by, the hardware problems Mac was having are not necessarily their fault... the reasons are two-fold - First, Motorola (the folks who make Mac's processors), simply couldn't make a stable chip at high speed using their particular type of architecture. Second, marketing duped zillions of users that more speed = better. This is not necessarily so, as AMD is finding out. An AMD 1.4GHz processor kicks the crap out of an Intel P4 2.2GHz processor in most arithmatic functions. A G4 processor @ 866 MHz can fairly match the performance of an Intel P4 running at 1.6GHz, and is nearly an even match for the Athlon, performance-wise, IIRC. All this being said, I would simply kill to get my hands on a 17" Mac LCD monitor. /P