Unfortunatly the number of faces/triangles that make up most parts of the poser figures, do not allow you to get an exact region. Sometimes you get lucky. I.E. "..For good then for evil" post I did. The purple cloth around her head, neck and chest were all just done with the grouping tool. But that even is not exact. I wanted a rounder transition around the check and chin. It just can not be done with the grouping tool. The best thing for the grouping tool I've found is in conjuntion with magnets! If you really want to get fairly percise onwhat you want to pull, push or strech, group, then assign the mag zone to the group. I still think Maps are the way to go to place textures on the face. James