"I think its very poor that they are doing this after all if it wasnt for us visitors and memebers renderosity would NOT exist period." That is one of the reasons for the upgrades. as the communities grow, so does the need for upgrades. New drives,dedicated servers,software updates, The database's grow as the membership grows. Think of all that data added everyday here with new gallery uploads,forum posts,not to mention all the files for the store. We just had to upgrade at the 3DCommune and it was not a smoothe transition either. Jackie and I are temporarily on dial-up becaus we moved and are waiting to the DSL to be transferred.I dont have any problems surfing here. alot of it could be clogged routers along the path. Tom

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”