Honestly, though, I look at Adobe and while I will acknowledge their good points, which are many, I will also say that there is a bad point that would disturb me. They don't care about us. I think CL truly does, and I'm not saying that out of any form of naivete'. ( insert Ironbear's snicker here ). When you consider what they have added to PPP and P5, and cross check it to the community wishlists, you'll see a lot of places where we decided what would get included. sure, there are still things we asked for that we haven't seen, but there's less reason to believe Adobe would pay any attention to our desires whatsoever. Just my 2 dollars. Paul