I have been following closely all the pros/cons on P5...and will probably see some of the pros turn to cons when satisfied users hit some glitch that hasn't been uncovered yet. I am still learning P4 and will probably never get P5 because of some of the upfront probs I see...and just don't need some of the features. I agree I would have just as soon they had updated P4 at nominal cost and offered some of the hi-power stuff as addons. My big concern as to the future advancement of Poser at this point is the 'new user base'. A lot of us did not enter into the program until release 4 and it was this user base that made Poser 4 as profitable item as it became...that and the P3 users that upgraded. I see a lot of P4 users claiming they are waiting b4 upgrading so am sure new users will play the 'buyer beware' game as well. Bugs are common in new software or upgrades...hell, even Ford Motor Company doesn't always get it right the first time. But if they make the same mistakes two many times, people will gravitate to Chevrolet and a new breed of bugs. Unfortunately in the case of Poser...we have no alternative breed of bugs to try.