For the record, I think people are giving tim a rough time. Every single one of us in this forum has, at some time or another, made a complete ass of ourself. Tim's a good guy, and has a lot of talent. So he got ticked off and ranted? SFW? I do it all the time, and people don't hang around the thread after the fact giving me hell... well... except Ironbear, but he's allowed to because of senority. So the problem's fixed. We got from point a to point c with a bit of bickering at point b. let's drop it and get on with life. And if anyone feels otherwise, remember that, at some point, you'll jump into a cause the wrong way, and look silly, and I'm sure you won't need the rest of us hanging around beating on your ego and dragging out the past after the fact. ;) Of the many people in this thread, I'm not the one who should be taking this position. There are many others here who have had to live down far more stupid rants than I have. Paul