Questor - you're absolutely right. Seriously. There are alternatives out there... something that will get you accused of being a DAZ sympathizer (huh? heh.) Me, I'm a mercenary - I buy and use what works for me. If P5 turns out to be a turd on my machine, I'll cease to buy anything from Curious Labs... as I've mentioned elsewhere, my level of caring for CL or DAZ was the equivalent to the level of caring I showed for the local Jeep dealership when I got my Jeep... if there was a better deal, I was out uncovering it :) /P