I'm still using P4, but regarding the walk designer you gotta ask yourself is it the artist or the program? Part of the walk problem has some thing to do with how close to 0 the xyzs get. the closer to 0 the more problems you are likely to incur obviosly this is a design flaw but if you know the workarounds you can work with it. thanks wolf359 and SctttA for the info. I'll try to remember this thred if I have trouble with walk designer, - TJ