Tim, In a possibly vain attempt to bring this back to the points you were making in your original thread... Poser 5 was supposed to be recoded "from the ground up" Was it? So far as I can tell nobody at CL ever claimed this (it would have been stupid anyway). This was just a rumour that propogated through the community along with all the other completely unrealistic expectations of P5. You can't really blame CL for something they never said. The walk designer sucks. Sure, and no matter what CL do it always will, to some extent. The problem that the walk designer tries to solve (natural walking with a variety of skelotal structures) simply has too many variables to be definable as a finite (solvable) problem. Regardless of how much time and effort CL threw into it, the results will always require tweaking. While most of the other problems you have addressed are really more "wish list" issues, I do, however, have to agree with you that the failure to address many of the P4 bugs that have been reported over the last few years is inexcusable, and inexplicable. Bugs often help expose coding and design flaws, especially those that most immediately effect the users. The very first, and easiest, step towards improving a product is to address the outstanding problems. And for the users, what is the point of submitting bug reports if CL are not going to fix them when they have the most obvious opportunity (ie. a new product release)? And of course the existing bugs that have not been addressed added to to the new bugs help to detract further from the overall impression of P5. Bill