I expect it to work. I expect it to be able to do more than I am capable of doing, (a bit of a nebulous statement, but there you go :) I have grown to expect that unless I treat it with kid gloves, in certain instances it (P4) wiil either randomly delete objects or just lock-up on me. I want to build the "perfect" woman, (or a close approximation thereof :) then render her wearing very little, preferably sans sword and temple :) But if that's your fetish go for it... :P But seriously folks... I'm a hobbyist, not an artist, I like to tweak, I have all these Images in my head which Poser lets me put "on paper" (metaphorically speaking :) If was as simple to add Vick to Temple and sword, and achieve perfect results everytime, it'd be very dull. Part of the fun for me is getting a recalcitrant program to give me what I want. I'm Just hoping that P5 will work on the box I bought for it. Now if only somebody would sell me 1Gb of RAM I'd be laughing :) later jb