Geez, this software really isn't ready for prime time. I just had the Cloth Room turn Don into a wad of polygons. All I did was load Casual Don, a Hi-Res square, and a Wind Force; position the square and Wind, then pose Don's arm, fiddle with parameters, then run a simulation. I had bumped Collision Offset and Collision Depth up to 5. And I was using "Drape Frames". But those settings should influence the clothified square, not Don. NOTE: Ctrl-A [Restore All] recovered him fine. Looks like a new situation that further exposes Poser's long-standing problems with wadding up figures. -- ToolmakerSteve