You got farther than I did. Upon rendering, Poser 5 turned my graphic into a line drawing and then froze. I tried again and got an error messages that I suspected meant if I continued I'd probably permanently corrupt the program. So I remain a graphic vampire without reflection. :( It looks as if some of us are doomed to stay in the audience watching everyone else's possibilities. Maybe those magic patches will help. I am losing confidence....and inclination to continue trying.