Well first, this forum has been an excellent resource. The products and the market prove that. I still think that the fact that all of these "extras" encourage and demonstrate to the newer person the steps it takes to create an image which satisfys them in terms of their learning and further encourages them to continue using poser is a benefit to everyone. What seems to be the complaint is that all the technical work has been taken out of the steps, well ok. But there are still choices on which lights, what after effect, what pose and what props and backgrounds....these images do not just happen just because there are presets....but a person who has a visual reward for choosing the right things will experiment more and will gain confidence faster. Yes yes yes, the old fashion way may be better because you develop your own "library" but that final image still is a matter of choosing from the tricks and tools each of us have learned... I think it is great that we still have tutorials and we have the vendors making presets as well....time is our enemy and we are all wanting to get those poser folk to take a great image....each person is able to start at their own level....