"I've never said "I don't think anyone here is an 'artist'" so please dont misquote me..." Ok, I'll let your own words speak for themselves... http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?Form.ShowMessage=863235 - "Does anyone know of any sites where people create art with Poser rather than throwing together a few products and hitting the render button?" Clearly, people who 'create art' could be called artists... you are looking for a site with artists. ~shrug~. (same thread) - "There are one or two people who are very good crafts people but not found anything yet that I would clasify as great, or even not so great, art." ...you refer to members here as 'crafts people', not 'artists'. "Skillfull yes but art.. not in my opinion." ...again, if it's not art, it was not created by an 'artist'. Me: "You've already expressed in earlier messages that you don't think anyone here is an 'artist'..." I stand by that... I didn't quote you to start with, I said that you'd "expressed" the sentiment. If you read your quotes above, I think it's pretty clear that: a. you don't find anything here that you consider art. b. and therfore you don't refer to anyone here as an artist. c. and only a few people rise to the 'crafts person' status. If you think I've misrepresented you or quoted out of context, the link is provided above - you and anyone else are free to read it themselves. "if you wish to debate this point please stick to reality and the truth." I don't really care to debate it... the reality and truth is in your quotes above. I asked you why you post these things and you didn't answer, you just seem to want to debate it, which is what I feared. Have fun, - Keith

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