I agree with Wolf also. IMO, P5 would have been much better with less flash and more stability and useability. About the trackball thing...I think Vue did it best. They included a trackball in version 4, but you can also click in the window and drag the object, drag settings (like dials) in a separate window, or type in exact values. Whatever the user prefers. I also like Vue's object tree. You can group and ungroup and move to different layers, etc, etc. It's extremely user-friendly. You can even choose not to render certain layers and turn them off to unclutter your work. That reminds me...AREA RENDER!!!! Like Bryce's spray can or Vue's Area Render. And, of course, dual processor & network support and all the other stuff everyone does these days. Er, everyone except CL, that is.