"(heh... guess who used to get into coding mods real big? :p )" Heh heh - you too? We had a couple of "Gee, let's break the engine" go rounds when I was into that. ;] "and well - can you say "Daikatana" or "Anachronox"? " Add "Tresspasser", "Starlancer" and... oh well, we can go on. ;] Point wasn't that gaming code doesn't ship with buggy releases - it does, including massive debacles like Daikatana - but that the amount of time devoted here is what's generally required in creating a release from the ground up in an equivalently complex app. Not 3 - 4 years spent basically patching add-on modules into relatively untouched existing code... That and the observation that if it's not reasonable to let companies slide on the functionality on the basis of "Well, it's only a $49.99 game", letting them slide on a application costing almost 10x that is ludicrous. I'll bet that if this were a new MS operating system release we were discussing here, the same people pulling this rhetoric would be screaming for Bill Gate's head on a plate. And hey... an OEM copy of Windows 2000 Pro is "only" about $179 or so. So... you hold Curious Labs to looser standards than you do other application developers? Why? Because they have a niche app that there's no equivalent to - so take what they deliver? Because the company execs "buddy up" to people in the forums? Er... what's that got to do with it? Becuase they're site sponsors and partners here? Heh. Reread the "Mission Statement" - it says nothing in there about Renderosity's mission being serving the best interests of software developers. Let's just agree to differ on some points Peng. ;] You and I can agree that possibly there's been more than the usual griping. I can hold that based on this release, CL rates all the flak they're getting, and if it damages the company... well, too bad, they bit it off, they can chew it. And we don't have to agree on those. No makey. ;]

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