Hey soulhuntre.....you don't even want to hear this...! Actually I won't waste my time even talking to a dizz like yourself. One check your spelling it makes you look stupid. And Two You want evidence how about I spam your butt with my screen shots.......! Arrrrrrrrgh Can I reach into the computer now and choke some more dorks who can talk the talk but not walk the walk. Oh and yes you are correct we are really lying here and just trying to stir up trouble over a program that my finance loves...get a life! Now that I have your attention read down to my next thread. Waves to Ironbear...:) long time no see ole friend too bad it has to be under these circumstances lol. Well Steve I am sorry that I and some off us vented so much about the program. I really did intend on coming off a little bit more professional and in a different way. And I agree with you I just want it to work lol. But.... One as to your statement to Golden about the Poser 5 doing something scary to our computers. No it's not scary it's down right invasive and iritates me. I really don't like the security check on the CL website to register and get my newest version working. I never did like that kind of protect my software kinda of thinking. Because it usually ends up hurting the registered bonifide customers more than it hurts the Warez kiddies and hackers ok. It's an unnessary pain and doesn't protect anyone. (Ok my complaint)..To put this whole thing in a nutshell. I install the program.....I go to their site, I enter my code then I am asked to enter my Poser 4 code. I do this and I get their is a problem with you registration code please contact tech support. I double checked my entries and tried numerous times but the same thing. I then attempt to log into renderosity only to find out I can only access the Marketplace and Poser 5 stuff. (Yes Only Poser 5 Stuff) I have most of the links to the right of the site missing and no matter what I click on it just loads up the Marketplace front page and from their I can browse around, no where eles. And yes to those who have suggested using another browser it's all the same Mozzila etc. I have them installed and the same thing. I guess that rules out the browser being the problem eh. Screen shots can be provided using both IE and Mozzila upon request lol. The only cure for this problem seems to be a complete reinstall of my machine. Does anyone think that this is acceptable or funny? I don't just work with poser I also have been dabbling with some really nice modeling programs and I actually thought I might be able to use some of the stuff in Poser....:( But that's not the point I have some major programs and some low level ones that are really cool like Bryce and they haven't invaded my machine and banned me from my own galleries here or caused havoc with my code. That's right my code. I bought Windows 2000 full version and I don't like anyone messing with the system, it's mine and I feel like I have a right to have complete access to it's functions. And this is just the minor beef. I played with Poser 5 (still have the 7 days left before it becomes vapor)and didn't like what I saw. Extremely slow render process, almost pathetic excuse for rendering time actually...Ok it was real slow..........lol. And the interface with the ugly windows looking file icon's really turned me off lol. And the characters are not desirable at all. My system is not slow....dual Pentium Flip chips running clocked at 1 Gig-a-hertz with a pro 3d labs card, 80 gig Maxtor drive and 1 gig of ram. Ok that's it I done venting. All I can say Is this program is going back. I don't want it. The security part is really what bugs me the most. This is not Lightwave or 3D Studio Max. OK it's Poser and it's cheap and well was kinda cool to play with. I understand CL's need to want to protect their investment but this is not the way to do it. And it does appear a whole lot like renderosity and Curious Labs has joined code forces to enforce this farce. Anyone eles have something stupid to say about why this is happening on my machine and others? I love the program but hey, I still have version 4 and I am sure other major modeling programs can pick up the slack if this software fails. Also as much as I love Renderosity I had better not find out they are involved with this problem also and providing code or whatever to CL to cause this. I can find other community's to hang out in or create my own. I am sure that I am not the only one to feel this way. Yes I am only one person so who cares right. Probably the many others who may be silent feeling the same way or having the same problem. The scope of what is happening here and what I'm trying to say is way to complex to put into words but I'm sure eventually everyone is going to be bitten by this bug rest assured.