I tell you this. I like the new poser5, But, I have been tinkering and tweaking and reading and experimenting, and writing CL on what I see. And it's getting to the point where I'm about to re-re-order my libraries back to the poser4 format and reinstall P4 with propack. I'm just so tired of the fight with this thing. Getting it to do the easy things takes seemingly 5 clicks and 3 rooms to get done, where P4 three clicks and I'm in the ball park to adjust to spec. I realize that P5 is morew advanced and I shoudl be more pateint and try harder. but sadly, all it's doing is just making want to go do something else and not do art. In a word, It's no fun anymore.