I guess I am in the minority, but I like Poser 5, there are some things that I am sure will become easier, it is also nice that there were some nice P4 "add-ons" and plug ins that extended its use but to tell you the truth my poser 4 was bogged down because I could not get to any of the libraries...I had to move things and even with the pboost it was so slow and sluggish that it made things hard. Now with P5 it is working fast and furious and I can access even my p4 libraries with ease. Yes I have a lot of stuff, yes I have a machine that I had built specifically to do renders in 3d and 2d programs; I tried Poser 5 on my other faster but less memory machine and it bogged down....but on the 1.5 G memory machine it clicks right along....the parameters panel could roll up and maybe it does and I just don't know how; I have no problem with the rooms, I like the hair stuff and I am tinkering with cloth...I never used the other set up room yet and I am just now at a point that I would try... I see the complaints and think that part of it is hardware, this program takes a lot of memory, a good video board and a good processing speed (mine is 1.2ghz)... I would like to find a way to apply the texture maps and might try the python scripts for that to see if they work on P5 (someone yell if they have tried that)...but the results with the texture material room exceed Poser4 even in poser4 render mode....but it takes more work to build the textures.... But then in truespace you have to get used to doing a lot of things...maybe that is the thing, you have to get used to change... We all wanted poser5 right now and we got it; CL is going to be interested in getting things moving on from this level....all I can say is wow this program is powerful and I am glad i don't have to keep slugging away with truespace if Poser will do things easier....