Oh, I don't think that's what we are saying. Gosh, no one admires model makers more than I do, I don't think (I KNOW it takes a certain talent and is an art of its own--one which I don't have G). I believe what we're (maybe I should say >I'M<) saying is that it would be almost redundant to recreate those things that are already made and done wonderfully (and far better than I could ever do) and concentrate on using those models imaginatively and maybe creating our own textures to personalize them. When I say 'mundane' I mean common objects--not that they are 'commonly' made--not by a long shot. Its still not a 'great argument'--this reminds me of people trying to 'create' an argument betweent the Mac and PC folks--its a moot question. Diane B