Lee; I've found that having both P4 and P5 on the system has been a godsend. I keep my Vue export capabilities, I have segregated runtimes, so I don't get items mixed up, and if I run into a problem setting something up in P5, I just bop on over to P4 and do it; learning a lot about how the shader nodes work that way. They're still confusing, but not as bad as they could have been. Kinda like jumping between Photoshop and Paintshop Pro; similar function, much different in usage. Until someone comes up with a proper utility to fully export the P5 content, then P4 is going to keep on keeping on.