Me, Well I didn't have the problems many had installing, but whats killing me are the bugs inside the actual program. Like missing polys during render, the neck line problem, and so on. I bought P5 cause were using it to provide the graphics for our software product that we were working on (3d isometric game) (pre-rendered 3d) And so far, I get nice results (at times) but the render time is horrible and this neck line bug is making my renders look ugly. I haven't even tried to load scenery yet (Too scared :) CL is a great company, but with this release, Im beginning to wonder why and who tested this program. Cause they have clear in your face bugs that I KNOW they had to see, and yet they released it. WHY? Cedric