It's funny reading everyone's threads lol. Buy the way can I sell some of you swamp land in Florida ehehhe. The only thing is though you won't actually own the land, you can say you have posession but you won't actually own it lol. I too liked alot in Poser 5 but I found it not too complicated but just a royal pain. The render is way to slow and don't tell me about your latest 5 thousand giz a hertz proc's my system runs duals which this awesome program can't even utilize and alot of ram and it's still slower than the breeze on a hot summer day. They took out important things so I could not use all the money I spent on Daz stuff and the like within the program. They concocted some stupid registration scheme that at least for me didn't work and if you read the elua you might find out that just maybe the art work you create in Poser 5 doesn't even belong to you but to Curious Labs lol. Yep that's right so keep on praising them for being so cool while they claim credit's to your work. If you want to read more about the elua go to poser pro's general discussions...:)