I don't think necessary to finger the beta testers as individuals for any problems that should have been found. My impression, even before the actual release, was that the beta testing program itslef was far too short and possibly far too limited to achieve results. I had the impression that the betas were probably out for a maximum of 3-4 weeks, and quite honestly, even with the best testers and best developers, that isn't enough time to find bugs, fix them rebuild and redestribute for retesting. Bill