You mean there were beta-testers for Poser 5? I thought that's what we were doing! Okay, joking aside, I wonder if CL got "real" beta-testers... instead of "fake" beta-testers who give feedback like "Looks great, I love it." (not very helpful). I also wonder how many testers clicked on something, had Poser crash, and then blame it on Windows, without reporting it as a bug? "Face room crashed again. Must be my version of Windows 98. It'll probably work fine with Windows 2000." "The body morphs don't work for Judy & Don. I'm sure that'll be fixed before they ship the final product." --John

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