Why don't you all just write to Curious Labs and ask them to post a link to the beta testers' forum? They could rush edit the thing to remove names the same way they rush edited Poser and rush it out for everyone so they can point fingers and scream at the wrong people. The people who screwed up Poser are the people who programmed and designed it. Not the poor schleps who tested it - well not all of them. Highly critical, efficient error reporting or bland sycophantic drooling. It shouldn't matter a damn to anyone here. The simple fact is that it was the decision of CL management to release unfinished software, it was the apparent inability of the programmers to get the thing together professionally at the speed expected of them with whatever was provided for them to do the job. This software has been three years in the making, of which... well, you guess at the ACTUAL time spent working on it. :) And no, I was not invited to be part of the beta team for various reasons. ;) Meanwhile stop looking for scapegoats. The real culprits for this are sitting pretty in their offices wandering how to rescue this unmitigated disaster.