I did not beta test P5 .. I have not even seen P5 .. yes a couple of my images were in the manual .. but they were P4 images .. not P5 .. the reason I mention this is from a couple of not so nice e-mails I received there seems to be the idea floating around that folks that had some art in the manual were beta testers... not necessarily so. I for one would love P5 , and can not wait till I can afford it .. I have read the good , the bad , and the ugly posts about P5 and still it seems to me that there is a lot of content in P5 that I would find useful ..