Norbert cute name Back OFF! Scott your totally annoying......! And no one with any web sense at all would even come close to admitting that their a member of AOL. I told her to stay out of this mess. lol I told her what kind of people she can possible run into. Look Golden is not Trolling this gallery she has been a member alot longer than alot of you and her experience goes way back to the early versions of poser ok. And no she didn't back down from what she said...I told her to delete everything and get out of the community totally and stop trying to inform people of this mess. Plus you can't always explain everything in a readable format when typing instead of talking. It's not the bugs, or the fact that the program is slow that's just the minor annoyance's.....The problem with us was when our legit copy's of poser somehow didn't make it through the registration process we were or so it worked out, banned from renderosity as warez peeps through a collaberation between CL and Render so it seems. We tracked down the xml and yes it was happening and we found the redirection page for it. I'm not blaming render I'm blaming CL for this. The objective is fair for protecting your product but when your software makes a booboo and innocent people are caught in the middle to me that's not acceptable. We are not exagerating or lying here. That and the Poser 5 EULA aggrement in the book which is pretty heavy handed on your art work. And some thought the beta peeps might have overexagerated the usability of the product. For all of you who can't afford a real program and love the simplicity of Poser and live and die by it hey, enjoy and sow what the program my reap for you. You are all more than welcome to endure this silly registration product just be carefull when you change a hard drive or graphics card don't tell me I didn't warn you. I have software with dongles on them if you know what that is, works more effiently than a software protection scheme. It's the principle here that has made me leave. I don't like anyone being that overhanded with their software that I pay for and support here for this program is gigantic. Would anyone even check out artwork made with other apps? This Troll is going back under his bridge and taking his club with him hehehehe... And to the other trolls here that are doing alot of arguing and don't even have the program in your possesion...ahhhhh how do I say this....you don't have the program but yet you defend what you don't have or understand. Sounds like I need to see a shrink on this one lol. Anyway good luck and enjoy it if you can..:)