Thanks alot guys... working good now!!! I had forgotten that I had uninstalled everything because I had some improperly filed content and wanted to start over. (Like I say, I'm pretty green) I guess I hadn't reinstalled the Lightwave updater. Also Bobasaur, you were right about the additive mode. By default, my system seems to apply in multiply, which seems to work fine for the eagle, but not Victoria. Changing to additive on here fixed me right up with everything except the eyes, which I haven't figured out yet. I really appreciate your help, and will post something after I check out what I have done. (Started rendering a 400 frame animation before I came to work an hour ago.) Thanks again!