I agree that the messages are really piling up and that some sort of split should occur. I don't think a version split would be worth while because some of us with P5 still work in P4 right now, and likely will continue to do so due to the runtime library option of using our P4 stuff. A split IMHO should be a topic one rather than a version one. There's still folks posting about the DAZ dragon, vicky, Mike, mimic, clothing, etc, and that does get lost in the "I hate P5" stuff. So how about a P5 orientation forum for people to rant and talk about their install / learning curve experiences?