Hiram, Oooh! "Tern"! Good catch, "turn" is such an essential spell word... for turning undead, turning poison into potions, just about every class and type of spell caster has a spell with turn in the title or main phrase. (So you "terned" the army of evil Anubis warriors - you just have 64,000 hungry seagulls to worry about.) Maid and Made might be interesting, too... if you are retrieving a dwarf-made axe, for instance. One style of viking axe is considered a bearded axe. ;^) Born and bourn? "Not bourn of woman" opens up a lot of possibilities. This is going to have to ferment for a while... but the odds that I'll inflict it upon my gaming group are very, very high. Non-lethal and non-predictable events are delicacies which take a bit more care in the seasoning. Carolly