The bugs are there, there's no denying that fact, but if you install it on 1000 different pc's with completely different specs some will find the bugs crawling right up their butts while others don't have the bugs at all. Does this make poser5 a bad program? No of course not, what it proves is that the guys & girls at CL are human, they wrote a program that works pretty much perfectly on their machines. If they wrote Poser5 on machines loaded with XP or 2k then obviously any other OS is going to be a bit jittery with it. Considering win98/Me are soon going to be unsupported by MS soon I think it's asking a hell of a lot from CL to support them too. I also think the minimum specs for poser5 were a little generous or optimistic to say the least, anyone trying to run it on anything less than a pentium 4 1Ghz is in for a tough time, 256Mb Ram should really be the barest minimum as well. Rob Flame away, I have my asbestos shorts on ;)