Rob, Speaking of XP I just got an update patch warning from HP tonight asking HP users not to use the new XP patch until Hewett Packard can work with Microsoft to get rid of the bugs . . . those durn things are everywhere. bikermouse walks across the room (crunch crunch crunch crunch) - walks back (crunch crunch crunch crunch.) I remember the minimum disk space and memory listings back when I got P4 were half of actual minimums. That may end up being the case here. - TJ